Comments for emerging South Africa http://emergingsa.wordpress.com a south african conversation about just being church today Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:37:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on De La Rey 3 – some other songs, and no final words by Afrikaners: Remember the story of your tribe « my contemplations http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/de-la-rey-3-some-other-songs-and-no-final-words/#comment-3035 Afrikaners: Remember the story of your tribe « my contemplations Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:37:44 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/de-la-rey-3-some-other-songs-and-no-final-words/#comment-3035 [...] identity written after Amahoro 2009. I’ve been thinking about a number of Afrikaans songs for years now, and the song which probably best formulate the thoughts of many young white South Africans is that [...] [...] identity written after Amahoro 2009. I’ve been thinking about a number of Afrikaans songs for years now, and the song which probably best formulate the thoughts of many young white South Africans is that [...]

]]> Comment on Getting started in Pretoria Inner City by Magda Kopp http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/getting-started-in-pretoria-inner-city/#comment-3034 Magda Kopp Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:30:09 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/getting-started-in-pretoria-inner-city/#comment-3034 Van emerging kerke moet julle liefs wegbly hulle is met verkeerde onbybelse dinge besig verwerp die bybel in elk geval glo nie in bekering en belydenis van sone nie. Wees op julle hoede ondersoek die skrifte en vra God om julle oe oop te maak. Baie van die gemeentes in die NG Kerk beweeg al meer na roomskatolieke rituele waar ikone bewonder word, spesiale maniere van asemhaal om die gees te ervaar, (oosters) en die stil word om die stemme te hoor. Pasop Satan is baie hard besig om God se kinders om die bos te lei. Lees gerus die bybel en sien hoe Jesus ons gewaarsku het. In Engels se die bybel: Judgement will start in the House of the Lord. Daar is net een waarheid en dit is Jesus Christus buiten Hom is daar geen ander nie want alle mag in die Hemel en op die aarde is aan Hom gegee. Hy is die Weg, die Waarheid en die Lewe. Van emerging kerke moet julle liefs wegbly hulle is met verkeerde onbybelse dinge besig verwerp die bybel in elk geval glo nie in bekering en belydenis van sone nie. Wees op julle hoede ondersoek die skrifte en vra God om julle oe oop te maak. Baie van die gemeentes in die NG Kerk beweeg al meer na roomskatolieke rituele waar ikone bewonder word, spesiale maniere van asemhaal om die gees te ervaar, (oosters) en die stil word om die stemme te hoor. Pasop Satan is baie hard besig om God se kinders om die bos te lei. Lees gerus die bybel en sien hoe Jesus ons gewaarsku het. In Engels se die bybel: Judgement will start in the House of the Lord. Daar is net een waarheid en dit is Jesus Christus buiten Hom is daar geen ander nie want alle mag in die Hemel en op die aarde is aan Hom gegee. Hy is die Weg, die Waarheid en die Lewe.

]]> Comment on De La Rey 3 – some other songs, and no final words by I am an Afrikaner, I have no leader « my contemplations http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/de-la-rey-3-some-other-songs-and-no-final-words/#comment-3028 I am an Afrikaner, I have no leader « my contemplations Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:03:30 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/de-la-rey-3-some-other-songs-and-no-final-words/#comment-3028 [...] people seem to think we have no heroes. They sing of a guy named De La Rey, who lived 100 years ago. Some say that we sing of De La Rey because there has been no heroes after [...] [...] people seem to think we have no heroes. They sing of a guy named De La Rey, who lived 100 years ago. Some say that we sing of De La Rey because there has been no heroes after [...]

]]> Comment on De La Rey by Athol http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/de-la-rey/#comment-2987 Athol Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:21:52 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/de-la-rey/#comment-2987 Afrikaners have an amazing history and a proud one. Afrikaners also have had an incredible cohesive force that kept them together - united around an ideology and set of beliefs, they had a powerful identity. The difficuly of course is that this Afrikaner identity was built in a land mixed with other identities. Afrikaners were Afrikaner first, and South African second, or for them being Afrikaner was equal to being South African. But where did that leave other peoples living in South Africa? I am sad when I read or hear that Afrikaners dont feel part of South Africa now because they feel that their identity is being suppressed. Is there room for Afrikaners to modify the expression of their identity especially if it requires that non-Afrikaners are also South African. We therefore have to broaden the meaning of South African and view being Afrikaner not as being exclusive with negative connotations but as positive with a powerful positive heritage. I am not an Afrikaner, I am a black South African, but I do believe Afrikaners should stand up and be proud of their heritage. Afrikaner heritage goes way beyond Apartheid. If we all accept that Apartheid was wrong, we can move on. All around the world for all of history groups have caused suffering but they move on, they do not get caught and trapped in that period, for example we don't see the British retreating quietly because of the suffering they caused the Scottish or Irish or indeed us here in South Africa. Afrikaners are every bit South African as the rest of us. We need you to be who you are! You have given this country more than we acknowledge. You have built the foundation of our land ... we need you to continue building together with the rest of South Africa. Afrikaners have an amazing history and a proud one. Afrikaners also have had an incredible cohesive force that kept them together – united around an ideology and set of beliefs, they had a powerful identity. The difficuly of course is that this Afrikaner identity was built in a land mixed with other identities. Afrikaners were Afrikaner first, and South African second, or for them being Afrikaner was equal to being South African. But where did that leave other peoples living in South Africa? I am sad when I read or hear that Afrikaners dont feel part of South Africa now because they feel that their identity is being suppressed. Is there room for Afrikaners to modify the expression of their identity especially if it requires that non-Afrikaners are also South African. We therefore have to broaden the meaning of South African and view being Afrikaner not as being exclusive with negative connotations but as positive with a powerful positive heritage. I am not an Afrikaner, I am a black South African, but I do believe Afrikaners should stand up and be proud of their heritage. Afrikaner heritage goes way beyond Apartheid. If we all accept that Apartheid was wrong, we can move on. All around the world for all of history groups have caused suffering but they move on, they do not get caught and trapped in that period, for example we don’t see the British retreating quietly because of the suffering they caused the Scottish or Irish or indeed us here in South Africa. Afrikaners are every bit South African as the rest of us. We need you to be who you are! You have given this country more than we acknowledge. You have built the foundation of our land … we need you to continue building together with the rest of South Africa.

]]> Comment on Faith like potatoes – part 1 by bietjie Buchan humor « die ander kant http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/faith-like-potatoes-part-1/#comment-2959 bietjie Buchan humor « die ander kant Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:13:59 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/faith-like-potatoes-part-1/#comment-2959 [...] het baie lank terug ‘n paar posts oor Faith Like Potatoes geskryf. Jy kan hulle hier, hier en hier [...] [...] het baie lank terug ‘n paar posts oor Faith Like Potatoes geskryf. Jy kan hulle hier, hier en hier [...]

]]> Comment on Faith like potatoes – part 1 by mighty men, mighty woman, Biblical anthropology « my contemplations http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/faith-like-potatoes-part-1/#comment-2953 mighty men, mighty woman, Biblical anthropology « my contemplations Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:07:11 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/faith-like-potatoes-part-1/#comment-2953 [...] I’m uncomfortable with the whole idea. Also, my thoughts on Faith like Potatoes was published here, here and here, so I don’t care to say another thing on that [...] [...] I’m uncomfortable with the whole idea. Also, my thoughts on Faith like Potatoes was published here, here and here, so I don’t care to say another thing on that [...]

]]> Comment on De La Rey by whitegranny http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/de-la-rey/#comment-2940 whitegranny Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:23:20 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/de-la-rey/#comment-2940 I shall put your link on my blog. It is interesting to hear what young Afrikaner children and young people think I shall put your link on my blog. It is interesting to hear what young Afrikaner children and young people think

]]> Comment on institutional church #1 – posting the question by David Bosch on the institutional church « my contemplations http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/26/institutional-church-1-posting-the-question/#comment-2443 David Bosch on the institutional church « my contemplations Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:48:59 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2007/03/26/institutional-church-1-posting-the-question/#comment-2443 [...] before moving to this blog, I posted some thoughts in this four posts on the question: institutional church #1 - posting the question institutional church #2 - the internet and blog-o-sphere institutional church #3 - the early church [...] [...] before moving to this blog, I posted some thoughts in this four posts on the question: institutional church #1 – posting the question institutional church #2 – the internet and blog-o-sphere institutional church #3 – the early church [...]

]]> Comment on faith like potatoes – part 3 by Mike http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/faith-like-potatoes-part-3/#comment-2303 Mike Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:42:35 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/faith-like-potatoes-part-3/#comment-2303 Good comments, Cobus... the problem with great experiences -- even miracles, and esp. miracles -- is (i) that the world is full of all sorts of experiences, and we need something bigger (eg. an honest reading of the Scriptures) to evaluate these experiences, and not the other way around! (ii) they assume the role of Scripture, and are put forward as being beyond question. (iii) The person who experiences them usually ends up saying that you *must* have the same experience, or your faith is supsect. This chap is coming out to take a conference here in Western Autralia in Feb. next year, and you comments and critque are important in helping us figure out what we're in for. Looks to me as though it's just another miracle-monger. We've seen it all before... Good comments, Cobus… the problem with great experiences — even miracles, and esp. miracles — is (i) that the world is full of all sorts of experiences, and we need something bigger (eg. an honest reading of the Scriptures) to evaluate these experiences, and not the other way around! (ii) they assume the role of Scripture, and are put forward as being beyond question. (iii) The person who experiences them usually ends up saying that you *must* have the same experience, or your faith is supsect.

This chap is coming out to take a conference here in Western Autralia in Feb. next year, and you comments and critque are important in helping us figure out what we’re in for. Looks to me as though it’s just another miracle-monger. We’ve seen it all before…

]]> Comment on faith like potatoes – part 3 by meg http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/faith-like-potatoes-part-3/#comment-1993 meg Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:53:19 +0000 http://emergingsa.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/faith-like-potatoes-part-3/#comment-1993 I have watched this DVD about 5 times and each and every time I get something more of how great our God actually is. WOW, I grew up in Pietermaritzburg and in fact was a nurse in Greytown hospital for a time and yes it so truly authentic and so very "african". God's miricles are alive and yes they happen when we move and move in faith and with God. The movie sure has moved us in ways that are deep in our souls and I praise our Lord for that. Our life on the farm both is South Africa and Rhodesia was just like the movie, and I am so touched by Angus and Jill's testamony. I have watched this DVD about 5 times and each and every time I get something more of how great our God actually is. WOW, I grew up in Pietermaritzburg and in fact was a nurse in Greytown hospital for a time and yes it so truly authentic and so very “african”. God’s miricles are alive and yes they happen when we move and move in faith and with God. The movie sure has moved us in ways that are deep in our souls and I praise our Lord for that. Our life on the farm both is South Africa and Rhodesia was just like the movie, and I am so touched by Angus and Jill’s testamony.

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